Comments on: Building the Web, One Spec at a Time http://arunranga.com/blog/2008/07/building-the-web-one-spec-at-a-time/ An annotated anthology of Arun Ranganathan's Web noise. Sat, 13 Mar 2010 04:13:04 -0800 WordPress hourly 1 By: arunranga http://arunranga.com/blog/2008/07/building-the-web-one-spec-at-a-time/comment-page-1/#comment-26 arunranga Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:30:32 +0000 http://arunranga.com/blog/?p=28#comment-26 RichB: I totally agree with your point about animation, but... check out <a href="http://ejohn.org/blog/processingjs/" rel="nofollow">processing.js</a> and tell me that we haven't come a long way :-) Yes, as far as tools go, we have a lot of work to do. Also, can you shed a bit more light on what you mean by "form fields are not composable?" Do you mean currently, or even in the context of the <a href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/" rel="nofollow">WebForms</a> work that we want to take into HTML5? Aaron: yes, of course, my bad. I should have mentioned WAI-ARIA, and of course, I totally agree with your comment that A11y and innovation don't need to be at odd with each other. RichB: I totally agree with your point about animation, but… check out processing.js and tell me that we haven’t come a long way :-) Yes, as far as tools go, we have a lot of work to do. Also, can you shed a bit more light on what you mean by “form fields are not composable?” Do you mean currently, or even in the context of the WebForms work that we want to take into HTML5?

Aaron: yes, of course, my bad. I should have mentioned WAI-ARIA, and of course, I totally agree with your comment that A11y and innovation don’t need to be at odd with each other.

]]> By: Aaron Leventhal http://arunranga.com/blog/2008/07/building-the-web-one-spec-at-a-time/comment-page-1/#comment-25 Aaron Leventhal Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:53:00 +0000 http://arunranga.com/blog/?p=28#comment-25 Dont' forget WAI-ARIA, which Mozilla is leading the way in! This finally allows accessibility to break out of the box it was in. Which means, organizations that must make accessible content can break out of the box as well. It brings AJAX, JavasScript widgets, etc. all into the toolbox of organizations with accessibility requirements (which fortunately includes some significant ones). It works today in Firefox, and all 4 major browser vendors are now implementing it. A11y and innovation don't need to be at odds with each other. Dont’ forget WAI-ARIA, which Mozilla is leading the way in!

This finally allows accessibility to break out of the box it was in. Which means, organizations that must make accessible content can break out of the box as well. It brings AJAX, JavasScript widgets, etc. all into the toolbox of organizations with accessibility requirements (which fortunately includes some significant ones). It works today in Firefox, and all 4 major browser vendors are now implementing it.

A11y and innovation don’t need to be at odds with each other.

]]> By: RichB http://arunranga.com/blog/2008/07/building-the-web-one-spec-at-a-time/comment-page-1/#comment-24 RichB Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:05:07 +0000 http://arunranga.com/blog/?p=28#comment-24 SL & Flash excel at animation. I'm amazed by the commentators who forget about this in their rush to endorse the current browsers. I know there are AJAX libraries to do animation, but it's a poor substitute for the impressive capabilities in SL & Flash. Second, HTML form fields are not composable. Third, the web layout manager (ie CSS box model) is very restrictive. It's great for web documents, but poor for web applications. You only understand this when you try to port a moderately complex SL/Flash application to the web. I don't see any of this stuff being addressed and deployed in browsers before 2010 - that's why many developers are *forced* into using SL/Flash. SL & Flash excel at animation. I’m amazed by the commentators who forget about this in their rush to endorse the current browsers.

I know there are AJAX libraries to do animation, but it’s a poor substitute for the impressive capabilities in SL & Flash.

Second, HTML form fields are not composable.

Third, the web layout manager (ie CSS box model) is very restrictive. It’s great for web documents, but poor for web applications. You only understand this when you try to port a moderately complex SL/Flash application to the web.

I don’t see any of this stuff being addressed and deployed in browsers before 2010 – that’s why many developers are *forced* into using SL/Flash.

]]> By: arunranga http://arunranga.com/blog/2008/07/building-the-web-one-spec-at-a-time/comment-page-1/#comment-23 arunranga Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:40:34 +0000 http://arunranga.com/blog/?p=28#comment-23 Ian, you move fast :-) Ian, you move fast :-)

]]> By: Ian Hickson http://arunranga.com/blog/2008/07/building-the-web-one-spec-at-a-time/comment-page-1/#comment-22 Ian Hickson Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:17:35 +0000 http://arunranga.com/blog/?p=28#comment-22 Worker threads spec: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-workers/current-work/ Should be ready for initial review in a few days. Worker threads spec: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-workers/current-work/

Should be ready for initial review in a few days.

]]> By: Mozilla Standards Blog » Blog Archive » Building the Web, One Spec at a Time http://arunranga.com/blog/2008/07/building-the-web-one-spec-at-a-time/comment-page-1/#comment-21 Mozilla Standards Blog » Blog Archive » Building the Web, One Spec at a Time Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:09:32 +0000 http://arunranga.com/blog/?p=28#comment-21 [...] (Cross-posted from arunranga.com [...] [...] (Cross-posted from arunranga.com [...]

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